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This page is dedicated to discussions about our theme (Monochrome) that are outside the scope of our monthly images.



Thread Title: Pixel 4 Phones

Stuart Ord   Stuart Ord
I was struggling at first to see how to create a new post here, but you just start typing in the input box at the bottom of the page without having clicked a "Reply" button first.

So this is in response to Jerry's comments about the Pixel 4 phones rather than put it in the discussion about his October picture.
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The 4a 5G offer has ended. Sad, I fancied an excuse to get the new Bose headphones! But actually a red herring I now have found. The 4a in either version doesn't have the tele lens. Here's what I found (ignoring the selfie / video call front cameras) on a web site giving phone specifications -

4a XL -
Camera 1 - 12.2 MP, f/1.7, 27mm (wide), 1/2.55", 1.4 ½½m, dual pixel PDAF, OIS
Camera 2 -16 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/3.6", 1.0 ½½m, PDAF, OIS, 2x optical zoom

4a
Single camera, 12.2 MP, f/1.7, 27mm (wide), 1/2.55", 1.4 ½½m, dual pixel PDAF, OIS

4a 5G
Camera 1, 12.2 MP, f/1.7, 27mm (wide), 1/2.55", 1.4 ½½m, dual pixel PDAF, OIS
Camera 2 16 MP, f/2.2, 107˚ (ultrawide), 1.0 ½½m

So the 4a only has a single camera the same as the wide one in the XL, and the 4a 5G has 2 cameras but a wide and an ultrawide rather than the wide and tele on your XL. Pity, they are pandering to a different market with the 4a, not to true photographers I think.

I might see a bargain on ebay!   Posted: 10/25/2020 05:15:31
John Roach   John Roach
Thanks for sharing the information, is there monochrome theme related information in what you post? If so, please clarify. If not, Stuart, I think it might better be placed in the discussion with the picture you are discussing. Otherwise it can be confusing to folks tracking monochrome themes in our Study Group. The Bulletin Board is only dedicated to Monochrome themes.   Posted: 10/25/2020 09:18:17
Stuart Ord   Stuart Ord
Hmm, OK, I see your point. It doesn't have a mono theme per se, it just rose from a mono theme and I felt it was better removed from the discussion about Jerry's photo. But it doesn't fit here either in that case. Seems a shame to rule out such discussions, but we could we share email addresses and do it privately. Clearly we don't want discussions completely removed from photography, but if you prefer I'll keep "off theme" comments short and in the main group page.   Posted: 10/25/2020 16:45:13
John Roach   John Roach
I suppose, other discussion topics can exist here, I just feel like we need to be clear about them. My inclination is to keep it simple and applicable to the theme of our group. It fits in the image discussion of the image you mentioned just fine. Based on the Header for our Bulletin Board ("This page is dedicated to discussions about our theme (Monochrome) that are outside the scope of our monthly images"), my thought is that if it isn't directly related to the Monochrome themes of our Study Group, other visitors to our page and perhaps even our own study group members, might not understand how something relates specifically to the themes of our group. If you want an email for one within our group, I will send it to you, after I get their permission. BTW, I am open to considering this further...I will send a note to our group in the near feature to see what others think.   Posted: 10/25/2020 16:59:16
Stuart Ord   Stuart Ord
OK, thanks.   Posted: 10/25/2020 17:09:52

Thread Title: Black and White Photography: Interpretation of the Whole

Lance Lewin   Lance Lewin
A few words beyond the popular definitions of Monochrome and Black and White Photography (BW): here I speak a few words on the philosophy of BW photography and its place within the Fine Arts. (This piece is also posted in Group 83-Mono that I administrate.)

When we view the world around us our eyes and mind work together in a process that is quick and efficient at first, we spend little time discerning between individual objects (including both light and shadow, color and texture) when deciding…" oh, what a beautiful scene or view or architectural skyline" …we simply 'take in the whole'…and immediately interpret what we are viewing is something of immense interest. The BW photograph, and as important or relevant in this discussion, black and white Cinema, allow our senses to work in a similar fashion: upon viewing these BW images (or videos) we very quickly digest the content and form an interpretation. We are not transfixed on color objects and/or artifacts that can interfere with the normal eye and mind collaboration we rely on in everyday life.

Successful photographs are ones that can reveal its Gestalt; where interpretation of the whole is more expressive (interesting or seems to "prick" the viewer, as Roland Barthes so eloquently coined in 1980) than the artworks individual details. Many BW interpretations help reveal a subject more completely, maybe even more emotionally then its multi-color alternatives.

Nowadays, (as a consequence of the Digital Photography revolution) everything captured is rendered first as a color image - this initial color rendering is unique in its influential slant: we are dictated to interpret the color image first - even edit the color image in post-production before converting it to a black and white photograph. This process is much different from shooting a roll of BW film where the photographer is never introduced to color, as such, their interpretation is purer, (or unbiased) towards the BW print upon development. (We see this conflict in every PSA Mono critique group: …" does everyone like the color or my BW version better?").

Alternatively, the (Film) photographer who chooses and wants to capture subjects as a black and white rendering does so without questioning or engaging the scene in color: their choosing a color version over capturing a BW one is not part of the equation or conversation. In my opinion, today's digital photographer needs to disconnect from the color original as soon as the BW version has been created, in an attempt to practice a purer engagement with the BW rendering. Thank you, everyone!

Photographer Lance A. Lewin (Admin for Group 87 General and 83 Mono)

Visualizingart.com



  Posted: 10/24/2020 16:19:22
Jerry Funk   Jerry Funk
I agree.
I have found with practice to identify subjects that are inherently best rendered as monochromes. In my opinion these generally have strong graphic qualities that far outweigh the color qualities. Nevertheless, I have found that some viewers prefer the color versions. It’s all very personal.   Posted: 10/24/2020 18:54:14
John Roach   John Roach
With digital cameras, it is a good black and white jpeg only to practice seeing on black and white to help avoid the influence of color during the self education process and sometimes for the pure joy of learning how to see that way.   Posted: 10/24/2020 21:12:43
Stuart Ord   Stuart Ord
That's interesting, Lance. I recall in my earlier years of photography, about 50 years ago, I did mainly mono due to cost considerations. I bought a "pan viewing filter", which was a deep purple piece of glass about 2" square, which aimed to help you "see" in mono.

(For anyone younger reading this, "pan" here is short for "panchromatic" ie film which responded to the whole visible spectrum, as distinct from "orthochromatic" film which did not respond to the red end of the visible spectrum and so reds came out black).

Anyway, it was a crude tool, but it helped and I used it. Alas I must have sold it when my first phase of photography (pre digital) ended about 20 years ago.

However now we have digital cameras with a mono setting! I can't speak for all cameras, but suspect they will be similar to my Olympus ones. I usually take RAW only, but if I set it to take RAW and jpg, setting mono in the main menu (Shooting menu 1 / Picture mode if you are an Olly user), then it saves a JPG as mono, and also a RAW file. The latter is seen in mono on the camera screen (ie in replay mode) because the EXIF has had that preference stored in it, but the RAW file itself is unaltered of course. So you get the best of all worlds - the viewfinder is in mono, the jpg is in mono, the RAW tries to look like it's mono (and even my various photo viewers show the RAW in mono). But if I open the RAW file in Affinity (and I guess other image processors) it comes up in full colour, it has not been altered. So I have the option of taking the camera's mono JPG or to process my own mono via the RAW file. Plus visualisation of the scene in mono, as recommended! I have one of my user presets set up on my cameras for mono to take advantage of this.

IN comparison, the OM1ii has two mono modes in the ART filter collection (grainy film 1 and 2) but this only saves as jpgs with this filter applied, so I don't use it.   Posted: 10/25/2020 04:01:26
Jerry Snyder   Jerry Snyder
I see the occasional post of the original images along with the processed monochrome image to be instructive. I believe it can aid in the process of learning to see in black and white. Some times I prefer the monochrome image and other times I conclude that the image is not well-suited to a monochrome treatment. The exploration of why an image appears better suited to color or monochrome is the instructive part. I would not discourage our members from including the original images for comparison when there is a point to be made. It can also be helpful to appreciate the editing work that was done to create the monochrome image.   Posted: 10/25/2020 20:37:12
Lance Lewin   Lance Lewin
Hi Jerry and thank you for this feedback.

Indeed, the color original is perfect for instructional purposes related to converting color to BW.

As it relates to "learning" to see in BW, I still feel is not necessarily a "skill set" one needs to be worried or become anxious to learn: again, and referencing what I stated previously, we first need to learn the process of Visualization, that is to learn to search and see engaging subjects/scenes.

Through the progress of capturing great compositions the photographer will easily learn what to "expect" in a BW rendering when hiking up to a scene.

In post-production there are a wide array of tools that aid in the transformation and "creativity" form Color to Black & White for the artist, much like some of the tools/techniques used in the dark room, including mild to extreme Dodge & Burning, for just one example.

  Posted: 10/26/2020 09:06:14

Thread Title: What is Monochrome Photography?

John Roach   John Roach
What is considered monochrome photography? Here are some interesting webpage sources about monochrome photography that includes single color variations in addition to tradition Sepia, B&W, Cynotype, etc.:

1. https://photographyicon.com/monochromatic/

2. https://weburbanist.com/2008/11/30/monotone-monochrome-photography/

3. https://digital-photography-school.com/use-monochrome-color-photography/

4. For added nuance see this: https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/monochromatic-color-wheel-scheme-theory-vector-747016036   Posted: 09/07/2020 13:01:39

Thread Title: What is considered monochrome photography?

Stuart Ord   Stuart Ord
Interesting stuff, John. I hadn't really considered this style to be monochrome, as I tend see mono and "black and white" as synonymous due to my darkroom background I suppose. As this shows, they are not! So I suppose I can rationalise, black and white is black through shades of grey to white, whereas monochrome can be black through shades of red (or any other colour) to white.
I've been experimenting in Affinity, it's quite easy to do. So next month, I'll post one!
  Posted: 09/09/2020 01:43:07
John Roach   John Roach
Cool...we will look forward to that. I have done various sepia and cyan colors for effect, but not often. I will think about images that might lend themselves to this type of presentation, too.   Posted: 09/09/2020 09:06:35
Stuart Ord   Stuart Ord
Drat, I forgot for October. Must try harder for November!   Posted: 10/25/2020 04:58:20

Thread Title: Monochrome Creation with On1

John Roach   John Roach

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