Group 79 Bulletin Board


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This page is dedicated to discussions about our theme (Fine Arts) that are outside the scope of our monthly images.



Thread Title: Arresting beauty

Gerard Blair   Gerard Blair
I am only recently becoming an "active" photographer and I cannot speak with authority on the evolution of photographic genre. My layman's understanding of the term "Fine Art" is "art concerned primarily with the creation of beautiful objects" or simply "aesthetic" - and I embrace that definition because it so well describes my personal goal for my photography.
For me, Fine Art in photography is about the outcome not the process. The image may be a faithful reproduction of reality, or it may be highly manipulated; it could be a simple rose or it could be an allegory of monumental moment; but for me it is Fine Art if it is perceived at least by some to be of arresting beauty.
We need a term for that - I think the term is Fine Art - if this is not correct, then I would ask what term I should use instead.   Posted: 05/27/2022 22:55:46

Thread Title: 21st Century Fine Art Photography

Lance Lewin   Lance Lewin
Inspired from DD-77 Bulletin Board post by Witta Prieste June, 2020...” Who is the Viewer and Who is the Audience”? Peter Newman’s Bulletin Board post feeds on the same vein. On Oct.18th I am giving a talk to the Gilmer Fine Artist in Ellijay, Georgia, on a very similar subject.

From the late 19th Century through 21st century art culture has experienced many different “movements” and patrons of the arts either liked what they saw or showed less interest, or none at all. Similar emotions and debate, again, manifest within 21st century photographic art.

I suggest we have changed our view of what constitutes Fine Art photography in 21st century photography.

Here we see a paradigm shift in how students of photography (and I am mostly speaking to club and online generation of photographers) initially approach and contemplate the artistic values/merits of their work: it has become all about how a particular work will be accepted in competitions rather than studying photographic work for the sake of its “artistic” nature or appeal: we ask questions that begin with...’so, is my work OK to enter a competition?’ or...’is it contest worthy?’ We talk more about the “rule of thirds”, for example, sometimes in a tone or manner that seem absolute, where in my workshops I do not discuss the rule-of-thirds but for a brief moment, and instead discuss in great detail the process of “visualization” as a means of inspiring creativity and compositional structure that is engaging, provocative and may well be viewed “non-competitive” to local club pictorial agendas.

Photographic Society of America (PSA) inspired photography is heavily biased on the aesthetics and narrative created through digital alterations as seen in illustrative or altered-reality like photographic based art, where instead, the work is “Creative” (as defined by PSA Creative DD group). The work mostly viewed in this Fine Art DD-79 (and also DD77) are of this nature…that is, redefining what dominates “Fine Art” photography. The work here is almost identical (for all practical purposes) to “Creative” DD group photographic art. “Fine Art” photography, seen from a traditional posture, has seemingly morphed into something else: so, where does this lead….

We are in an era, what I term, “hybrid-genres” (which is on the heels of philosopher Jerrold Levison views on “Hybrid Artforms” 1984, and Claire Anscomb 2019 paper…Photography, Digital Technology, and Hybrid Artforms, 2019, where Anscomb refers to...” evolving arts”). Here, I suggest we are seeing a metamorphosis within the photography genre: within the realm of digital photography ½“ an array of digital-art manifestations (hybrid-genres) has been born, which has brought a certain degree of disparity: here a paradigm shift has been realized, where everyone questions what they are looking at: viewers’ first impression of photography is often one of skepticism. To mitigate this skepticism, for our 3rd Annual Photography Exhibition (at Gilmer Arts, in Ellijay, Ga) I again was clear on presenting two category-genres for the artist to enter, and again, proved successful from the standpoint of artists, and patrons of the art.

Fine Art Photography form a Traditional Posture:

Ansel Adams, Henri Cartier-Bresson, are two very good examples Peter offers as comparison to the ever-needing “competitive” composition that occupies the majority of work circulating throughout clubs, guilds and online institutions all around the world. Ansel Adams Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico 1941, seen both with and without heavy Dodge and Burning, represents a clear and authentic landscape composition, the pure essence of what a skilled user can achieve from behind the viewfinder. It is Fine Art Photography at its best, as also enjoyed by examples of Henri Cartier-Bresson work...as well as all of my serious photographic art is designed for...the sake of art.

Thank you, guys!

Lance A. Lewin
PSA Black & White Photography Mentor
PSA South Atlantic Area Membership Director
DD-83 Mono and DD87 General Administrator

http://visualizingart.com   Posted: 10/12/2021 08:20:59
Lance Lewin   Lance Lewin
Please,visit DD-83 Mono Bulletin Board and read the full, original topic inspired by Witta of DD-77 Fine Art. Thank you.   Posted: 10/12/2021 10:23:11

Thread Title: Is there a difference between Fine Art Photography, and a good, interpretative image. image

Peter Newman   Peter Newman
I figured that since we have a BB, this topic might be an interesting starter. I am convinced that camera club judges would rarely give a high score to good fine art. e.g. Henri Cartier-Bresson: Part of a bicycle wheel might be out of the image; the whole image might not be in focus; etc. How well would the impressions of Charles Needle, Tony Sweet, Lisa Langell, John Dexter, etc., score in a CC competition.

More importantly, how can we explain the difference between a postcard/catalog shot and a good photograph, to a beginning photo artist.   Posted: 05/09/2021 23:48:35
Judith Lesnaw   Judith Lesnaw
Thank you for starting this thread Peter! Your question probes the very heart of of our art. What indeed is "Fine Art Photography"? I will gather thoughts and jump back in.   Posted: 05/10/2021 08:53:48
Peter Newman   Peter Newman
At Lisa Langell's webinar tonight, when she showed her first image of using photography for as home decoration, using frames with plain white paper instead of images, at first I didn't realize they were just placeholders. In the museum image I posted last week, the framed paper was definitely not a placeholder.   Posted: 05/21/2021 22:02:16
Lauren Heerschap   Lauren Heerschap
This should start a good discussion. I can tell you that the images of the photographers you mention would score high in a camera club competition, if entered under a Creative category. I am a friend of Charles Needle. Don't assume that camera clubs do not recognize Fine Art interpretations. I have been working with camera clubs for 11 years; am current President of the Northwest Council of Camera Clubs representing 20 clubs in Washington State. Most clubs would recognize Fine Arts.

The difference between a postcard/catalog shot and a good photograph? What draws the viewer into the photo? What story can it tell? What experience of emotional impact does the photo create? Is there a style of the maker that inspires others? Does the photograph use creative technology to impress and to give the viewer a reaction as a unique artistic statement?   Posted: 05/10/2021 12:07:05
Sandra Irwin   Sandra Irwin
Great discussion going -- please continue it! I am really a beginner and don't enter contests, so I will just study what you say.   Posted: 05/10/2021 14:10:50
Peter Newman   Peter Newman
Lauren, Mea Culpa. I should have made that comment in a different thread. I suspect that you have some very knowledgeable judges. I am friends with several well known photo artists, who have said they would never judge a CC again, because their comments did not conform to CC "rules." When commenting on images in the creative category, (not only mine,) the words: "I don't know what it is," are uttered.

We all like different things. Assuming the same value, I would prefer a Monet, to a Vermeer, hanging on my wall.
  Posted: 05/12/2021 19:54:56
Lauren Heerschap   Lauren Heerschap
Hey Peter, I like Monet too, and I have heard and said the "I don't know what it is" comment. Actually I am organizing a class for our club to learn the be commentators that is given by the PSA. I would like to invite you to our online zoom digital night.Puget Sound Camera Club meets the 2nd Monday of the month at 7pm. Anyone else interested is welcome to visit. We have a Creative Category, which is growing. Email me for the zoom link Lauren@Heerschap.com   Posted: 05/13/2021 17:15:11
Sandra Irwin   Sandra Irwin
Me too!   Posted: 05/16/2021 20:59:50
Karl Leck   Karl Leck
I often think of fine art photography as images that don't fit other classifications well. Some so-called 'fine' art photography is what I would consider overpriced trash or an analog to elevator music. Other fine art photography can elicit emotion and creative envy. An interpretive image tells a story that can be understood by most viewers. The images in Decisive Moment exemplify that even though some may not live up to contemporary PSA judging conventions. If I'm doing photojournalism or street photography, the story moment is all important. Maybe the image will be art but that's not the basic objective. In fine art photography we let our hair down, try different stuff, create images from our imagination, inspirations or mistakes, and then see if anyone responds. Karl   Posted: 05/16/2021 11:38:51
Peter Newman   Peter Newman
The image below, which is a museum installation, fits your first sentence to a "T."
<br />Also see <http://mijnspijkersoplaagwater.blogspot.com/2016/08/whos-afraid-of-red-yellow-and-blue.html>
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<br />As for creating emotion, compare the original AA prints with reproductions. I can't say why, but the original of Moonrise, caused the hairs on my back to stand up. An interpretive image is the artists interpretation. There must be hundreds of thousands images of Half-Dome tat were taken from the same spot as AA did. Yet how many are worth a second glance.   Posted: 05/16/2021 15:06:15
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