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Fly Fishing at Deer Lake by Cindy Smith

January 2022 - Fly Fishing at Deer Lake

January 2022 - Cindy Smith


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Fly Fishing at Deer Lake, Creede, Colorado
Canon EOS R. RF 24-105 L IS lens. 1/2000sec at F/4.5 ISO 320

Contrast, Sharpening, exposure, removed person in background

15 comments posted

Steven Jungerwirth   Steven Jungerwirth
Great job freezing the fishing line in the air! The blue shirt really pops against all the green!

This image has many bright/dark areas. It feels like the interest/action is in the lower two thirds of the frame. I'd consider brightening the fisherman, darkening some of the brightest grass - and cropping 16:9 (example attached, low res).

Glad to see you taking pictures again!   Posted: 01/09/2022 20:41:26
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Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
Thank you, Steven. Actually, this was taken last summer on our inaugural RV trip to New Mexico and Colorado. I thought about cropping it, but I was afraid of taking out the main subject--the fishing line--which was what I was aiming to get. I didn't think about changing the crop size! DUH!! Thank you for that. I am really having a hard time getting my focus with my EOS R. Is that what you shoot? I think someone in this group does, so if you or whoever shoots that camera, I would love some help. I appreciate everyone's constructive criticism. Thank you.   Posted: 01/09/2022 20:48:27
Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
Steven, but because I didn't crop it, I worked on getting rid of the extra person in the background, which is another technique I am working on!   Posted: 01/09/2022 20:49:46
Steven Jungerwirth   Steven Jungerwirth
My mistake - I thought from the image title it was more recent! Great job getting rid of the person in the background. Perfect! I believe Chan uses the RP that has the same focus features as your camera. He may want to comment.

I use the Canon 6D (an older DSLR) and the R5. With the R5 it took me significant time to get the focus right. I was frustrated and called Canon to explore sending it back to the factory to be checked - I could have done that, but in the end concluded that it was "pilot error" and the camera was working properly. These cameras have so many focus modes - that the trick becomes knowing which mode to use when - and then using it properly. Esp in the mirrorless world - there is little to align/adjust with the focus system. If I was taking this picture - I would have focused on the man's face - and ensure that the focus point that the camera locked on was the man's face. You can do that in a variety of ways . . . If his face was tack sharp - most of the rest of the image would be acceptably sharp. Manual focus is another option - but I would not do that for an image like this - the autofocus systems is going to be better!

You could also try shooting at f5.6 or f8 (if light allows) - where the lens is going to be a bit sharper.

Keep shooting.   Posted: 01/09/2022 21:11:40

Lance Lewin   Lance Lewin
Great job, Cindy!

Steve points out very important features and technical aspects, I agree with his assessments, but will add: as it was bright outside, setting the ISO to its native value could also have improved clarity, but likely just a little. (Note I always caution people not to go too far off "native" ISO settings as this often induce digital noise). That said, latest/greatest cameras need to be pushed pretty far before this actually happens.   Posted: 01/10/2022 06:19:51

Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
What is native value ISO? That is a new term to me. Thank you for your comments. We had gotten up to Deer Lake at least an hour before we should have-someone (not I) not following the instructions my friend had given-we were also not dressed appropriately for the high mountain cooler air that was coming with the dusk! Thank goodness I had put towels in the rental car so our dog didn't hurt the seats!! We had sat for over an hour, and having seen no wildlife, we left. This man was fishing in an upper pond on the way back to the car. The only decent images I got that day!!! So-bottom line-focus on his face, and f/5 to f/8, and wait for Lance to explain native ISO. Thank you!! I'm learning so much from all of you.   Posted: 01/10/2022 06:52:06
Lance Lewin   Lance Lewin
...of course...the "Native" or "Calibrated" ISO for any camera is what the factory imposes on the value that has the least amount of "Digital Noise": your camera, I believe is Calibrated at ISO-100, so this setting will incorporate the least amount of Digital Noise when taking a picture. The higher (or lower) you set the ISO will induce small amounts of Digital Noise. However, as technology advances, this is less an issue as it was, lets say, around 2009 for example.

In any case, set your ISO manually for best results. (Note my wife Anne is an accomplished underwater Master Diver/photographer and needs to set her ISO on Auto because of the fast and sometimes vast differences in lighting she experiences). This is rarely the case for most photo shoots the rest of us encounter. But otherwise, controlling the ISO is a best-practice for the photographer. Hope this helped you. : )   Posted: 01/10/2022 07:19:14
Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
I am interested in Auto ISO, as we are HOPEFULLY FINALLY going to get to go to Israel in April (was supposed to have been April 2021, then October 2021, and now April 2022--keep your fingers crossed!). I know that I will not have a lot of time to set up my shots, as we will have to be moving with the group. What are your thoughts on this? I usually shoot in RAW on manual, but I'm not the accomplished photographer, and I do have trouble getting the ideal settings. Thank you for any help you can give me. I did use Auto ISO when we were on a trip where there was a lot of changing from dark to light.   Posted: 01/14/2022 10:37:12
Lance Lewin   Lance Lewin
Good questions, Cindy.

Everyone has there own priorities as it relates to photography: I am a dedicated photography-artist. As such, all my trips are prioritized around photography: that is, we only move about "manually" (or freely) and never with groups. Of course, photography sits at the heart of my work, so my agenda and schedule are much different from yours, for example.

This said, not everyone who enjoys photography has the time or schedule to work in this manner, and
using Auto-ISO is perfectly fine and in your case sounds like a viable option to capture subjects and events within the scope of your travel plans that you describe above. By all means, shoot only in RAW so post-production results are at their optimum.

However, when traveling more locally and without an organized group or tour, practice choosing ISO settings manually; values relevant to the scene. It is the only true means of learning, not just learning ISO values, but all camera dynamics, (e.g., aperture, shutter speed, exposure compensation...).

Hope your trip materializes!

  Posted: 01/14/2022 14:08:04
Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
Thank you, Lance. I do try to prioritize settings when I have the time to set up shots, and I am trying to learn to pay attention to those settings so that I don't have crazy results! LOL!! I appreciate your help, and the help of all those in this group.   Posted: 01/14/2022 16:36:27

Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
Thank you.   Posted: 01/10/2022 07:31:24
Chan Garrett   Chan Garrett
I do use a canon RP. Focusing is really not different from other cameras. I do not see how you would be able to focus on a subject as small as a fishing line in action. In a shot like this one, look for something larger that is in the approximate same field of focus and focus there. A smaller aperture will also help. My suggestion would be to focus on the fisherman.   Posted: 01/14/2022 15:46:10
Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
Thank you, Chan. What focus settings do you normally use? 9 points around the object?   Posted: 01/14/2022 16:37:34
Chan Garrett   Chan Garrett
Fora scene like this I like the one center point. I use back button focus so that once focus is obtained you can recompose the scene without fear of losing focus. I know you can do this with shutter button focus, but there is much more chance of accidently letting the button go prior to recomposing and losing focus.
I found that when I went on a tour of Israel that shutter priority worked well.   Posted: 01/14/2022 17:31:41
Cindy Smith   Cindy Smith
Great! I use back button focus, too. I'll take all of these into consideration!   Posted: 01/14/2022 17:40:41


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